Saturday, May 12, 2012

Fate/EXTRA: Servant Archer


Archer is the middle ground between Saber and Caster. His fighting style is similar to Saber but his stat growth is similar to Caster, which won't benefit his fighting style that much. Aside from the dilemma in which status parameter to upgrade, he's relatively easy to play with. Here's a guide to playing Archer.  

Archer
— A stoic warrior clothed in red robes —

 
Status

STATUS ENHANCEMENT:
Strength
Raises damage done to enemies.
It is recommended to invest as much SP as possible into this parameter as this is his main stat despite having a lower growth speed.
EX RANK: 141 SP
Defense
Lowers damage done to enemies.
Defense doesn't only makes you tough but increases Skill damage as well. So invest into this parameter when your Strength is high enough.
EX RANK: 121 SP
Agility
Stabilizes damage stats, raises skill speed.
Invest into this parameter only if you have some extra SP to spare.
EX RANK: 120 SP
Magic
Raises magic ability, lowers damage from magic.
Invest into this parameter only if you have some extra SP to spare.
EX RANK: 106 SP
Luck
Raises critical hit rate and defense when in jeopardy.
Never invest in this stat.
EX RANK: 169 SP
STATUS RANKING:
E D C B A A+ A++ EX
0 26 52 78 104 128 193 255
STATUS GROWTH PER SP:
Strength Defense Agility Magic Luck
1.72 2.00 2.00 2.25 1.45
RECOMMENDED STATUS:
Strength Defense Agility Magic Luck
A+ C D C E


Skills & Noble Phantasm

SKILL LIST:
Pre-Projection
Target: Self
Raises the effectiveness of Projection by 1.
Unlocked after spending 10 SP on Alteration.
MP USED 10
Red Hound - Weaken
Target: Enemy
Does damage; lowers defense. REQ: Projection 1.

Unlocked after spending 20 SP on Alteration.
MP USED 30
Red Hound - Fatigue
Target: Enemy
Does damage; lowers strength. REQ: Projection 2.

Unlocked after spending 30 SP on Alteration.
MP USED 30
Fortification
Target: Self
Raises accuracy of Projection when using GUARD.

Unlocked after spending 35 SP on Alteration.
Increases Projection by 1 when you successfully GUARD an enemy's ATTACK.
MP USED 20
Structural Mastery
Auto-activated Skill.
Effect of Improve raised by 1 at the start of battle.

Unlocked after spending 50 SP on Alteration.
Projection increased by 1 from the beginning. 
MP USED 0
Wing of the Crane
Target: Enemy
Inflicts Projection damage on an enemy.

Unlocked after spending 60 SP on Alteration.
MP USED 50
7 Rings of Heaven
Target: Self
Nullifies an enemy attack. REQ: Projection 5.
Unlocked after spending 85 SP on Alteration.
MP USED 60
Fake Helix Sword
Target: Enemy
Pierces an enemy. REQ: Projection 3.
Unlocked after spending 99 SP on Alteration.
MP USED 70
NOBLE PHANTASM:
Unlimited Blade Works
Condition: Accuracy Lv. 5
Uses one's mastery of swords to enhance Improve.
 
Automatically unlocked through story progression.
This Skill will only last for 3 turns. 
I don't know who messed up with the translations for this skill but the condition requires you to have a Projection of more than 5. Since the maximum Projection count is 5, your Noble Phantasm symbol will light up on the 6th count instead.
MP USED 0


Private Room

Special conversations inside the Private Room can be triggered when you see a special icon accompanied by a yellow font in the selection window. These conversations are important factors when unlocking your Servant's Matrix Level E. Missing one of them or choosing the wrong answer could permanently deny you the information you need.

Speak with Archer


Save


Leave your private room

Archer's Matrix is not that hard to complete but unlike Saber, you could still mess it up.
  • 1ST WEEK (DAY 4):
    1ST QUESTION:
    2ND QUESTION
    You have something against school?
    END
    What do you mean, "intentional"?
    END
    By "soldier" you mean yourself...?

    2ND QUESTION:
    END
    What's with the attitude?
    END
    ...Fair enough, silence it is.
     
  • 2ND WEEK (DAY 4):
    1ST QUESTION:
    2ND QUESTION
    Perform an alteration of the Soul?
    END
    Set him up for absolute humiliation?
    END
    Maybe things are fine as is...?
     
    2ND QUESTION:
    END
    Is it excruciatingly painful?
    END
    Are you afraid of the process?
    END
    If that's so, sorry I mentioned it.
     
  • 3RD WEEK (DAY 1):  
    END
    Should I pursue that question?
    END
    ...I probably shouldn't bring it up.
     
  • 4TH WEEK (DAY 4): FEMALE MC/RIN ROUTE ONLY
    1ST QUESTION:
    2ND QUESTION
    What's your relationship with Rin?
     
    2ND QUESTION:
    END
    So she's your type, huh?
    END
    You like them saucy, huh?
    END
    ...Argh, if only I had more proof!
      
  • 4TH WEEK (DAY 6):
    No choices.
    Archer talks about Dracula
     
  • 5TH WEEK (DAY 6): AUTOMATIC EVENT
    No choices.
    Matrix Level 2

  • 5TH WEEK (DAY 7): AUTOMATIC EVENT
    No choices.
    Matrix Level 3
     
  • 6TH WEEK (DAY 2): FEMALE MC/RIN ROUTE ONLY
    END
    Is Rin your ex-girlfriend?
       
  • 6TH WEEK (DAY 3):
    No choices.
    Archer talks about NPCs in the Moon Cell
     
  • 7TH WEEK (DAY 3):
    END
    ...talk about my concerns about Leo.
    END
    ...ask about Archer's true identity.

    Matrix Level E
    END
    ...actually, I have nothing to say.
    Requires that you defeat SE.RA.PH during Day 2.

Achievements

These achievements gives you new conversations inside your Private Room. Your Servant could reward you with an item, an equipment, a Skill upgrade or simply just a new topic to talk about.

Speak with Archer


Save


Leave your private room

TOTAL VICTORY:
Defeated 150 Monsters
He'll congratulate you for your efforts.
Just kill as much enemies as you can and you'll get this achievement sooner or later.
Defeated 300 Monsters
He'll give you the Scarlet Coat of Arms as a reward for setting a new record.
Just kill more enemies as you did before and you'll get this achievement sooner or later.
TOTAL ITEMS: 
Opened 20 Item Folders
He'll tell you something about the Item Folders.
The Pirate Bounties during the Treasure Hunting Event doesn't count.
Opened 50 Item Folders
He'll inform you that you've got about half of all the items in the game.
The Pirate Bounties during the Treasure Hunting Event doesn't count.
Opened 70 Item Folders
He'll give you an Elixir as a reward.
The Pirate Bounties during the Treasure Hunting Event doesn't count.
Opened 100 Item Folders
He'll warn you about being too greedy.
There are a total of 100 Item Folders in the game so make sure you get 100% items in all the Arenas to get this achievement. The Pirate Bounties during the Treasure Hunting Event doesn't count.
DISTANCE COVERED: 
Moved a Total Distance of 10,000
He'll congratulate you for working hard.
For each step you make, you travel a distance of 10 to 15. Using move_speed() will allow you to achieve this goal a lot faster.
Moved a Total Distance of 200,000
He'll give you a Magic Crystal Sphere as a reward for setting a new record.
For each step you make, you travel a distance of 10 to 15. Using move_speed() will allow you to achieve this goal a lot faster.
RARE MONSTER: 
Defeated 1 Rare Monster
He'll warn you about the dangers of fighting strong opponents.
Check the guide for Rare Monster locations.
 
Portrait

FACE PATTERN:
NORMAL 1 NORMAL 2
ANGRY 1 ANGRY 2
HAPPY 1 HAPPY 2
IRRITATED 1 IRRITATED 2

SMILE SERIOUS



CHARACTER DESIGN: 
FULL BODY

— End —

I really recommend viewing the special conversation when using a female character during Rin's route. Archer's reaction during that conversation is priceless. I mean, it's not everyday that you get to see Archer fall off his chair just because of a single question.

33 comments:

Fang said...

The portraits have tow "Irritated 1" faces. The second should be "Irritated 2". ;D

Also, invest all points in Luck, land crit hits 100% of the time. (Still do mediocre damage, but it's cool nonetheless).

R said...

Interesting class, thanks for sharing!

natchu96 said...

" . . . How can I say this without being insulting?
. . . I can't. That was a dick move, Master."
- Archer


The guy takes cynicism to the level of an art form :D

Pat Hatt said...

He sure holds nothing back, great showing.

Lord Phrozen said...

I feel so "Irritated 2" right now for not proofreading this post before publishing it. Thanks for pointing that out though. I was gonna post about PSO2 but I thought to myself, why not finish the old guide first.

Adam said...

He looks cool

That Bastard From Bellingham said...

So much Steinface goin' on. When normal and irritated look similar, it always makes for an interesting face to me. :D

Shockgrubz said...

I like the formatting and polish of this post. The content interests me as well. I'd play this game, if I had time.

Shaw said...

red coat, white hair, reminds me of Dante

Baur said...

very interesting!

R.gers said...

Damn, I still haven't read Fate/Stay Night visual novel yet.

Matt said...

Thats pretty cool.

Josh Dennis said...

what is this for?

Bart said...

seems like a bad enough dude to the save the world.

draewon said...

a note about UBW, when the skill ends, you can no longer increase your projection beyond 1 for that battle, all attempts will be counted as "invalid" instead(pre projection, fortification), makes you do nothing on that block you've assigned the skill to, just like what happens when attempting caster's last skill when you're not under 30% HP

Lord Phrozen said...

@draewon
Thanks for that bit of info. I haven't experienced that yet since Archer is just too strong that the enemy dies before UBW ends.

draewon said...

i only found out once when i fought shiki with archer, because she didn't die when UBW ends, the next turn i tried to bring my count to 3 so i can spam caladbolg, both boxes that i casted pre projection ended with "invalid"(thank god it was a "guard" action), leaving me with only hrunting and a severely weakened crane wing to finish her off, still won easily though, but if i'm not thoughtful, that 2 failed moves could've killed me

UBW is theoretically the fastest NP that the playable sevrants has, you can activate is as soon as the 2nd turn and dominate the battle real quick, which is why it also have several downsides like no extra/NP only attacks and the NP itself doesn't do damage, wasting 1 block in order to use it

the NP also kills your projection level back to 1 when its over, so activating it too early would be a bad idea in case you wanted to perform rho aias at some point, it's also the most costly to use since your normals&hrunting are still as weak as ever during it, forcing you to spam crane wing~caladbolg to make good use of it, something which only an elixir could maximize its potential since archer's MP isn't that much to start with and Mp heal CC cannot keep up with his MP guzzling skills.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know where I can view the Rin route scenes as FemMC? Didn't know about them and I'm halfway through as the MaleMC...

ReiKoko said...

i found this walkthrough several months ago, and i have to say, out of all the ones i found for fate/extra, this was my favourite and go-to guide. everything is so detailed and very easy to follow. archer was my first servant though, so it killed me that you didn't have a detailed guide for him at the time xD

with my first few archer playthroughs, i used builds similar to the one you recommended, where str was my main stat. however, in my last archer playthrough, i tried out a new build that worked exceptionally well for me, and one which i will use again, cos it was just so much fun. the build is as follows:
STR - A
DEF - D
AGI - B
MAG - A

it has been a while since i had picked up the game, so correct me if i'm wrong, but i think both def and mag increase archer's skill damage, but it's advisable to focus on one or the other, and not both, so recommended builds for him would be focused on either str/def or str/mag.

Anonymous said...

While using Archer, for many of the later bosses I simply didn't use UBW at all.

For me, what I found to be generally more effective was to raise Projection to x5 as quickly as safe to do so, and just keep it there. Raising Projection makes the negative status effect from Archer's Weaken/Fatigue skill far more likely to actually connect, as well as keeping Seven Rings (what I think of as Archer's true trump card in this game) handy to counter the enemy Noble Phantasm.

Anonymous said...

I'm trying out a joke spec involving only *endurance + magic* on NG++... I'll post update whether it works D:

Cleared Rider at lvl 11 (turtled)
Cleared Archer at lvl 19 (almost got outhealed due to regen buff)
Fail on Caster at 23, (grinding levels at the moment...)

Anonymous said...

(cont'd)

Cleared Caster at 27 (with cirno's attack table sheet)

-seems like neither magic nor endurance actually adds any spell damage... is there something wrong?

Anonymous said...

(cont'd)

Cleared Berserker at 31 (Dragon Cloak + Angelic Trumpet; Rho Aias on every NP)

Cleared Assasin at lvl 34 (at 129 magic, 94 endurance)

At this point I can confirm that Archer's SKILL damage does not come from Endurance or Magic. My Caladbolg only does ~2000 inside UBW, compared to the 4000+ in the videos.

I am almost certain now that SKILL damage for Archer comes from Strength.

Anonymous said...

Challenge: Fate/Stay Night Archer
Choose female MC
Archer's stats:
Strength: D
Defense: C
Agility: C
Magic: B
Luck: E

Are you Archer's true Master?
Stats taken from Archer in Fate/Stay Night

Anonymous said...

Fate/Extra Archer
Male MC
Strength: D
Defense: C
Agility: D
Magic: C
Luck C

Achievement: kicked Julius' butt without getting killed. I suck at raising Archer but I get along fine.

Anonymous said...

Archer Vs. Lancer

DCCBE stats and lowest possible luck.

Certain hit kill spear, my butt. Rho Aias can tank it!

Though comparing it with my earlier, first playthrough save, where I have the stats ACBDE leaves me in tears ;_;

Archer's "official" stats are crap! With a Strength/Agility centered build he tears through all opposition and nukes bosses like a Boss!

Still, Cleared Shiki with a DCCBE spread, so I guess I deserve SOME trophy. Only used one elixir!

Anonymous said...

My agility rank for archer increase from E to D with 27, not 26. I thought that maybe it increase with 2.25 points for 1 SP?

Anonymous said...

im confused...the guide said that never invest in luck but someone said to invest it all to luck.is it recommended or not?????

Anonymous said...

i can't understand what does projection do and other skills relating to projection

Anonymous said...

I tested an archer full Attack / Luck and until it was cool, but I recommend or Attack / Def or Attack / Magic.

Agility is very bad, only serves to Caster.

Anonymous said...

I got the conversation about NPCs during day 2 (I came back after talking about Rin).

Anonymous said...

Just going to say something about these stats for all the characters. It's pretty vague as to what they do but I think I've figured it out.

Strength:
Improves physical damage
Not a bad increase to magical/skill damage

Magic:
Increases Magic/skill defense
Increases Magic/skill damage

Defense:
Increases physical defense
Increases magic/skill damage (on the same level as the magic stat!)
Slightly increases physical damage (?)

Luck:
Marginal increase to physical and magic/skill damage.
Increases chances of stuff happening.

Agility:
Stabilizes damage input
What you read mostly

Something notable is that increasing any stat buffs another unmentioned stat. The most notable one is that increasing the defense stat increases magical strength as much as increasing the magic stat. I'm not 100% sure about the validity of this claim (although it does make sense as otherwise how would Saber do so much damage with her skills without investing in her magic stat?). But it seems that every single stat increases the damage stat in a very small (or rather large in the case of defense) way. It also seems to be the same way with every other stat (probably) or at least for every major stat (Every stat other than luck and agility). I've also heard that strength improves magic/skill damage by the same amount as the magic stat but that's doubtful and the source doesn't follow the Japanese wiki.

The most effective stats to increase physical damage, in order:
STR > CON > AGI = LUK > MAG

The most effective stats to increase magical damage, in order:
MAG = CON > STR > AGI > LUK

Although this might be only specific to Caster. Considering how lazy the game mechanics of this game can be, that's unlikely.

Anonymous said...

One thing I noticed while using Archer. Contrary to what some may think, a Magic-centered Archer can be nearly a Game-Breaker.

Pretty much all his skills benefit from Strength, along with his attacks. All, except 1: Caladbolg II, which in the english version is called Fake Helix Sword. This one benefits from Magic, instead of Strength.

Now, why is Magic Archer a Game-Breaker? Because with a high enough Magic stat, and with Unlimited Blade Works active, using Caladbolg II can deal so much damage, it makes every single fight a potential joke. Even Shiki (unless she kills your ability to use the skills, then you're fucked).

This means, with a Magic-focused Archer, Late Game becomes a complete joke dificulty-wise, which lets you enjoy the story happily without worries. And you can always increase his endurance so he doesn't become a glass cannon.

And if you don't want to depend so much on it, just increase the strength stat. The important thing is that you leave MP for Projections and Caladbolg II. Because every other one of Archer's damaging skills pales in comparison if you focus on Magic.

Endurance barely affects physical and magical attacks, so a STR+END Archer won't deal as much damage as a MAG Archer with Caladbolg II. Agility is important too, but not as much unless you really want to go first when both sides use a skill in the same turn. Luck doesn't really change anything too important or noticeable, and his E Luck is Canon too, so why increase it.

So, overall, I used this:

STR=C
END=C
AGI=E
MAG=A++
LUC=E
Nothing lasts more than 2 turns. At worst, when I feel lazy, or used Rho Aias, 4 turns.

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